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officers who were defending the capitol on january 6th, there going to be protecting him on january 20th when he's going to be sworn in. i'm sure he's never going to apologize or say something nice to us. every time that he says something about us, he called us failures and thugs and the people who attack us, he calls them heroes and patriots and victims, and they are not such of any of those things. have failed to stand along with the officers who defended them from being only one person present at the funeral of brian sicknick, and not even -- none
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even passing the plaque -- passed two months ago, they completely failed. >> it's an honor to have you joining us tonight. >> "the 11th hour" with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, congress certifies the 2024 election results, four years after the january 6th riot. a look at the stark contrast to this day in 2021. then the former leader of the proud boys is asking trump for a pardon. what lawmakers are saying about it. justin trudeau is stepping down as canadian prime minister, a top reporter is here to break down everything you need to know as "the 11th hour" gets under
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way this monday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, privileged to be here with you. today, what used to be business as usual at the u.s. capitol happened, normally it's normal every four years. congress voted to certify the results of the 2024 election, officially naming donald john trump the winner, resided over by vice president kamala harris who lost the election. it was a much different picture than four years ago when donald trump's ardent supporters rioted at the capitol to prevent certifying trump's loss. >> reporter: tonight in a joint session lasting just 40 minutes, congress counting state electoral votes. >> donald j. trump in florida -- >> reporter: certifying the sweeping victory of donald trump
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who takes office as the 47th commander in chief. vice president kamala harris overseeing the certification of her own defeat. >> donald j. trump has received 312 votes. kamala d. harris of the state of california has received 226 votes.6 >> reporter: a stark departure from the violence four years ago when a mob of trump supporters attacked the capitol, delaying the count by hours, many were issued, including sergeant aqilino gonell. >> many were injured, including losing eyes, the type of people donald trump and his allies are trying to pardon. >> reporter: candidate trump downplayed the violence and his role. >> that was a day of love. >> reporter: and repeatedly suggested he would pardon some
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or all of those who pleaded guilty to or were convicted of crimes on january 6th. >> those people have suffered long and hard. there may be some exceptions. >> reporter: president biden campaigned on the idea that he was a threat to democracy. >> i think what he did was a genuine threat to asdemocracy, hopefully he's beyond that. >> there are plenty of major questions moving forward. when will the confirmation hearings happen, how many will get through the process, which of his big promises can he follow through on, how will americans react if he falls short, and what shock and awe flurry will we see day one. john allen is near, susan glasser, and luke broadwater is
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back. thrilled to see him, luke, we have missed you. i know our audience remembers, you were out last month, donated a kidney to your brother and have been home recovering. how are you? >> thanks so much for having me back, i'm doing better. i wouldn't say fully recovered yet, but i'm a lot better than six weeks ago. i'm up and at them. thanks for the nice segment. >> you've got two weeks left, get to 100% soon, we're going need you. susan, i want to start playing something donald trump said earlier today how president biden is handling the current transition. >> know they talk about a transition, oh, no, want a smooth transition from party to party of government. well, they're making it really difficult. throwing everything they can.
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giving out trillions of dollars of nonsense. >> i'm not sure how to react to this. donald trump is talking about some of joe biden's recent policy decisions. okay? he said that today. exactly four years after we saw absolute chaos break out at the capitol as the nation was in the depths of the pandemic. we never saw a transition with that much chaos in any american lifetime. what's your take? >> yeah, look, you can amplify a lie a million times, as trump and his followers have done the last few years, as they did again today. it still doesn't make it any more true to repeat it over and over again. all day long the words of mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader at the time, whose courage failed him in the impeachment, but said that trump
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was practically and morally responsible for the events of january 6, 2021. history will record that as a fact, regardless of the amount of gaslighting that's been around it we've heard and will hear in the next four years of the second trump presidency. >> luke, you were in the building and covered the aftermath. what stuck out to you watching the process? >> it was just night and day from four years ago. january 6th should not be contentious or event, congress orjust doing their duty to certy the correct results of the election. today you saw a stark contrast to four years ago. took about 40 minutes today to do this certification.
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last year it was -- four years ago, it was 14 hours of complete chaos. i mean has you laid out in the opening, 150 police officers assaulted, people who got concussions, people who almost died, officers almost died. protesters who died during the assault on the capitol. complete chaos, disruption of the constitutional process. mayhem. dark and depression day for basically everybody there that really shook the capital for months if not years afterwards. and what you saw today was the opposite of that. you saw what happens when the losing candidate acknowledges they lost and does the professional thing, their constitutional duty, and certifies the election. that's what we saw today with vice president harris.
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she didn't try to whip up a crowd, lie about the election results, amass people to come to washington and protest and storm the building. she certified the election, which was her job. >> john, i want to make susan blush sharing something really smart our friend peter baker said over the weekend. watch this. >> if you woke up january 7th of 2021 with the smoke still there and troops around the building and said that donald trump would be president in four years, nobody would believe that. anybody who says that today wasn't telling the truth. but it turned out his electorate wanted him and held power over d the elected officials who didn't. that's the real story.ec they didn't find what he did on january 6th to be disqualifying, therefore congress and elected officials went along with it.
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2021 there, was not a majority of americans who would think donald trump would retake the white house. but he's about to. does that tell us americans as a whole are okay with what happened four years ago today? >> number one, absolutely not. i don't think that tells us the majority of americans are okay with january 6th. what it tells us, a lot of americans who voted for donald trump, who are not all right with january 6th, do not prioritize that over other things that donald trump is offering. certainly part of the base is happy, you can tell because donald trump has exalted the people convicted of crimes, january 6th crimes, as patriots who have been treated poorly by their government rather than prosecuted for crimes. there's a piece of that base that loves it. also a set of voters voted for donald trump who don't think
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it's appropriate but also don't prioritize it. for viewers who don't know why susan would blush at the comments of peter baker, i know it's a big secret their married. quite a competition for who says the smarter things between the two of them. >> that's true, when they cowrite a book together, read it. you said what the history books will tell us, history doesn't lie. i'm not sure. you wrote over the holidays about some folks trying to rewrite history. how have republicans managed to reimagine what actually happened four years ago? are we going to see more of that in american politics moving forward? >> absolutely, steph. thank you. i'm not going to address all the personal comments because i pewould say that it is about revisionism, and the rewriting of history that has become very central to the project of donald
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trump and many of his followers. it's not just a question of what the rank and file republican voters thought or believe about january 6th, but i've been struck h,by the extent to which many republican elites, wealthy business leaders, people who know better, who spoke out about donald trump's conduct in the immediate aftermath of january 6th and on that day, that includes by the way the entire republican leadership pretty much in the house and senate. many of them are walking back their comments of that period of time, deleting them altogether from social media, pretending that they didn't mean it, or apologizing because somehow they were wrong and they shouldn't have spoken so harshly about the event and they somehow bought into hysteria generated by democrats or something like that. you have a very active project of revisionism, rewriting
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history. i think that's at the core of what donald trump is offering the country right now. it's not just january 6th he's rewriting the history of, it's the entire last year of the trump presidency, which he campaigned essentially on a platform of let's just forget about 2020, i'll campaign on how great the economy was before 2020. that was accepted by a remarkably large number of american voters. when you produce a kind of rewriting of history, propaganda, it's remarkably effective in the hands of someone like donald ttrump, ve, very skilled at putting out a narrative. he's constantly revising any situation to create facts that suit him or his version of history. i think what we're seeing with january 6th and the revisionism around that is an extreme form of donald trump, a distillation of who he is as a person and a
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politician. >> we actually saw vice president harris speak today after certifying the results. i want to share a bit of that. >> i do believe very strongly that america's democracy is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it. every single person, their willingness to fight for and respect the importance of our democracy. otherwise it is very fragile and will not be able to withstand moments of crisis. today, america's democracy stood. >> are we going to see democrats stand by this important message of defending democracy? some argue it was a failed political message and they never should have done it. what she said today was important. >> two things can be true, steph. you can want to defend democracy
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and believe you are defending democracy by conducting yourself in a certain way in winning and in losing, by respecting norms and rules. at the same time, campaign on issues that give you a better chance of winning over that small sliver of swing state voters that make a difference or sort of amp up your side and depress the other side a little bit. i think we saw in this election that defending democracy was an issue a lot of democrats cared about, but it was not the issue that was decisive. if they want to defend democracy, first thing you have to do, if you believe your party is defending democracy, first win on economics, those issues at the bottom of the hierarchy of needs, basic needs of people. if you do that, you get to defend democracy, do whatever else you want to do, whatever is in your ideological playbook. >> one man in the spotlight four
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years ago, mike pence. we all remember the rioters chanting "hang mike pence." he spoke publicly and praised vice president kamala harris, calling it particularly admirable she presided over the certification of an election that she lost. what do you make of that? >> it was consistent with what he did four years ago. he stood up to donald trump. donald trump put tremendous pressure on mike pence to go beyond his constitutional duties and overturn the results of the election, do something he had no power to do, send results back to the states or throw them out completely, to have a new election or install donald trump as president. he saw in kamala harris what he had done four years ago. it isn't something extraordinary, isn't something that should be an act of heroics
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or something, this is just what you're supposed to do in office. i would say one thing about rewriting of history that's so crazy is this was all on video. you can see the rioters beat the police and drag people down the steps and use the american flag to assault people. you can hear them chant "hang mike pence," so it's just crazy to me the effort to rewrite the history of january 6th has been as successful as it has been when you have so much video of exactly what happened that day for anybody that wants to see it to see. >> let's move forward, two parter. susan, what comes next. what are you expecting when donald trump's more controversial administration picks have their confirmation hearings? >> yeah, this is the first really big test where we're going to start to stop speculating and start to understand a little bit about the concrete nature of trump
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2.0. one of the big questions of course is to what extent if at all will republicans in the senate -- he can only afford to lose three votes in any controversial cabinet nomination he's put forward, will they buck him in any serious way or not. when you look at the upcoming hearings for pete hegseth, his fox news host nominee to be the secretary of defense, facing allegations about sexual misconduct or questions about his experience or lack thereof relevant to running the pentagon is a question mark. tulsi gabbard, nominee for leader of the national intelligence directorate, and robert f. kennedy jr. as leader of the health and human services department. these are extremely controversial, would not be nominated by any other president
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than donald trump. so a big question mark is what if anything is the senate republican isconference going t do about that. question number one. number two, to what extent has donald trump been offering bluster and hyperbole with promises of mass deportation, starting on the first day of his administration. he's told us he's going to end the ukraine war in the first 24 hours heof his administration. he said just today again, reinforced that if all the hostages are not released by hamas before he is sworn in, they better watch out or else. so trump has laid down a large number lof markers for us abou what he says is going to happen on january 20th, and the immediate days following. we're going to start to see what he's actually able and wants to deliver on from all of those very, very sweeping promises. >> there's a different complication i want to ask
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about, john -- and i know we have to go. talking about rich and powerful business guys that trump is choosing for his administration. i'm not criticizing at all, but something we've not talked about is the rules these guys have to follow. steve feinberg, howard lutnick. they run huge, huge businesses. are they prepared -- these guys have to divest themselves from massive complicated businesses because of the conflict of interest rules. this is serious. donald trump cannot executive order excuse them. have all these guys factored that in? >> i think they have. if you agree to be nominated, you've at least given some thought what that looks like. whether you have to do it, whether anyone holds you accountable for not doing it is another question entirely. >> that's the question. >> we'll have to see how it works out. there are a lot of ways to -- i
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don't want to say get around the rules, but preserve your wealth when you go in. for some there's a huge tax benefit. incoming treasury secretary, when they do the divestment, they get a massive tax benefit. that's why a lot of people are extremely willing to take that job. people have spent a lot of time thinking about what they want to do, how to divest, how it works. doesn't seem to be impediment to anyone wanting to run the treasury. pretty good job. >> i don't know, i think i bet you $11 that a few of them woulo like donald trump to waive some magic wand so they could hold on to all their assets. just a few. when we return, companies shunned trump after the january 6th attack on the capital. now they're donating big time to
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the inauguration fund. what exactly has changed? later, the january 6th rioters in jail, ready to cash in on donald trump's pardon promise. robert garcia joins us to talk all about it. "the 11th hour" just getting under way on a monday night, historical. on a monday night, historical it's time we listen to science. one a day is formulated with key nutrients to support whole body health. one a day. science that matters. ( ♪♪ ) my name is jaxon, and i have spastic cerebral palsy. it's a mouthful. one of the harder things
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politics. tonight, what a difference four years can make. 2021, major companies denounced january 6th and pledged to withhold donations from those who disputed the 2020 election results. many of those same companies are giving big money to donald trump's inauguration fund. the "wall street journal" points out in some cases this is the first time in over a decade they're supporting any inauguration fund. lauren hirsch is here to discuss, and rebecca bellhouse as well. rebecca, you've been reporting on this subject, january 6, 2021, all sorts of companies said this is not about politics but democracy. saw a red line, said we're out. what specifically changed? >> i mean i think it's clear what changed, who is in power. january 6, 2021, biden had been
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elected. i don't think anyone at that point thought there was a chance of trump mounting a political comeback like he has. in the lead-up to the election and wake of it, we've seen companies realize they need to be part of the policy making process in this white house and the way they see to do that, go to mar-a-lago, meet with trump and make a hefty donation to his inauguration fund. >> trump's team isn't just saying donations are for the inauguration, they're really a mea culpa to trump to say i am sorry i wasn't here with you, i want to be in your good graces again. explain. >> i think that's been made clear by trump's aides and trump himself. he's clearly relishing all the attention he's getting at mar-a-lago, saying everybody
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wants to be my friend now. for his aides, some are even rolling their eyes at this idea that corporate ceos think they can make the last four years go away making a donation to his fund, especially -- about $1 million or so. they're relishing the rush to get back in his good graces and remains to be seen how effective the efforts can be. but it's been striking. to give you one example, after january 6th, facebook suspended trump's account, accusing him of inciting violence. couple of weeks ago, mark zuckerberg was at mar-a-lago and put his hand over his heart as the january 6th choir is singing the national anthem. they didn't announce who was singing but it shows how far things have come. >> social media companies after
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january 6th were under huge scrutiny, ceos in the hot seat, questions about best practices, content moderation, hate speech. was there content that led to january 6th? after that, donald trump was tossed from twitter. fast forward, zuckerberg wasn't just giving money, they don't have content moderation. elon musk runs twitter, donald trump's number two, first man -- don't want to say he's the first lady. running doge. and just today, meta announces dana white, head of the ufc on their board, new policy, all the d.c. jam, a gop strategist. it's extraordinary how much it's changed for social media companies and it's not like they had a bad four years. >> if they didn't want to be in politics and felt pushed into it, particularly in the pandemic with a lot of social uprising
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and pressure from their employees to take a voice. that's gone now. completely different environment. the pandemic has ended, there's backlash, the employees are quieter now. >> why? lots of ceos four years ago don't want to talk about politics, just want employees, customers and shareholders happy. but even if they liked trump, they wanted to keep their mouth shut from huge employee backlash. where has it gone? >> they would go on twitter to complain if they were unhappy. who owns twitter or x? elon musk. a lot of ceos are almost as afraid of elon musk as they are of trump. if they do something to upset trump, musk could be going after them. dynamics and pressure points have changed. you're seeing that playing out in how they're maneuvering this
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situation. >> rebecca, you agree? >> yeah. i think it's incredibly different environment, in the same way you saw democrats agree to show up to this inauguration, and people putting up less protest this time around. indicating they feel like his win this time is more valid because of the election results. i think the ceos just feel like they don't have any choice but to become a part of this process and get in the mix. >> but isn't it strange? january 6th -- take politics out of it. they all said that january 6th was about democracy. most companies out there for the last four years, look at their stock. fortune 500 companies did extraordinary well last four years. what are they looking to get away from? dei rejection or don't want to
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deal with the wrath of donald trump? >> there is also something practical. january 6th, trump had clearly lost the election and they were hoping he would leave. >> forever. >> he's won the election, has congress and they're looking at it practically saying he's going to be in office and we need to work with him. >> and he's vengeful. >> yes. or some people would say he's transactional or some combination of the two. >> vengeful is an -- he seeks revenge on people who don't. >> first time in office, ceos didn't know how to navigate his transactional nature. he's back, they've been to the show, know how to works. social pressure is a little bit less so they're just buying a ticket. literally. >> more than a ticket, a table, a few tables, maybe underwriting
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a marquee. we'll find out. thank you so much. when we return, the most notorious of the january 6th defendants is in prison serving a 22-year sentence and he's asking donald trump for a pardon. will trump give it to him? next. trump give it to him? next if you take or have taken humira for moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis and still have symptoms... you don't have to settle. ask your gastroenterologist if switching to rinvoq is right for you. it's one of the latest treatments
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you promised to pardon those who attacked the capitol on
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january 6th. are you still vowing to follow through with that promise? >> we're looking at it, most likely yeah. >> okay. >> i'm going to be acting quickly. >> within the first 100 days? first day? >> first day. >> donald trump repeatedly vowed to pardon some january 6th defendants. many of them are pressuring him to make good on the promise, including enrique tarrio, the former chairman of the proud boys, he requested a complete pardon, serving 22 years in federal prison for his role in orchestrating their assault on the capitol, the longest sentence to date. robert garcia, member of the oversight and homeland security committees, you've seen some.
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thanks for being here. wrote his client is a proud american who believes in true conservative values, his attorney said. you were at the capitol, i want your reaction to that. and explain to our audience who the proud boys are. wasn't somebody who fell prey to conspiracy theories and followed friends to the capitol and things got out of control. this is someone who orchestrated it. >> absolutely. first be really clear, the proud boys, their leadership, what they've done has been nothing but inflict violence, racism and destruction on this country, including trying to overthrow a fair election. this idea that somehow donald trump is going to pardon these insurrectionists is shameful and unpresidential. about 1 1/2 years ago, i had a chance to go to the d.c. jail here and i witnessed marjorie
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taylor greene leading a group -- i was there on behalf of the democrats as a witness -- to meet with the insurrectionists. 20 of them there, majority had violently attacked police officers, and she and the republicans treated them like heroes, high-fiving them, hugging them, giving them advice. people that tried to overthrow our government. the proud boys are incredibly dangerous, many of them are on numerous watch lists across the country. and it's very disturbing these folks could possibly receive pardons from donald trump. >> how are these men being treated in jail? some publicans like greene say it's poorly. you were there. >> complete lie. there were maybe 15 republicans on that visit. i was there with one other democrat, what we saw, we went to the jail, met about 20 of
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them, they were in a cell, all together, just them. they were walking freely in a large room that connected their cells. they had tablets, were able to communicate with family and friends. they had entertainment, they were treated incredibly fairly. as someone that has been to other jails and prisons, frankly they're being treated better than most inmates across the country. what marjorie taylor greene was doing was completely lying about the conditions. many tried to shake my hand, i of course refused. what was sick and disgusting, besides the fact that greene and boebert and others were treating them as heroes, they were chanting let go brandon, singing songs they had written for the president. to treat people who tried to overthrow the government this
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way is shameful on the behalf of the republicans and the fact they could receive pardons should concern every american. >> donald trump is not going to lose his base, the proud boys. could he risk turning off people who supported him and don't support what happened, but voted for donald trump because of the economy or immigration? >> i really hope so. i just don't see how any american could support the pardon of people that attacked police officers, that led to the death of a handful of police officers who served our country, and injured over 100 police officers in various serious ways. people that attacked law enforcement. this idea that donald trump blanket pardons these folks should disturb everyone. but we have to be very clear about the challenge ahead. this is the same person that also wants to install cabinet
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nominees with no business protecting our country. pete hegseth, tulsi gabbard over intelligence? kash patel over the fbi? and christy nohem as the head of homeland security, has no business running that department. it's not just pardoning of the insurrectionists but the national security apparatus he seems hell bent on destroying or damaging the institutions. americans should be concerned, and those that supported him i hope see this and continue to push back. >> thank you for joining me, congressman garcia. when we return, headed to the great white north. after almost a decade in power, justin trudeau stepping down as canada's prime minister. what led him to bow out and why you should care. i'm just a regular person. after working 25 years in the automotive industry, i retired.
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oh, canada, this morning, canada's embattled prime minister justin trudeau announced his resignation after nearly a decade of leadership. it leaves the country in flux on the eve of a second donald trump administration. >> reporter: deeply unpopular at home because of soaring prices and ridiculed by donald trump,
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he is bowing out. >> i intend to resign as party leader, prime minister. after the party selects its next leader through a robust, nationwide, competitive process. >> reporter: the son of a popular prime minister, trudeau's movie star looks and photogenic family made him a international star. but he was criticized and his closest adviser, the deputy prime minister, resigned. >> if i'm having to fight internal battles, i cannot be the best option in that election. >> reporter: a final blow, tension with president-elect trump, who threatened canada with 25% tariffs. despite trudeau rushing to mar-a-lago to appease him, trump blamed canada for fentanyl and undocumented immigrants crossing the bored are, and canada's trade advantage with the u.s., mocking him on truth social as
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the governor, many people love canada being the 51st state. >> i think it smooths the relationship, clearly donald trump and justin trudeau were not on the same page. >> trudeau will still be prime minister for a few months of trump's presidency while canada decides how to replace him. now the bureau chief for the "new york times" canada office in toronto. why is he stepping down now? >> i think he just ran out of rope. it was very clear to everyone, seemingly apart from himself, that his time was up. he's deeply unpopular at home, was facing an internal rebellion from the back bench of his party, in parliament, his own deputies against him, and departure of his deputy prime minister in december was the
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final straw that broke the camel's back. he took time off in the break and came back, today the first day back at school as they say here in canada. first thing he did was resign. >> it seems like this is the bottom line, this is a story we've seen repeated in a whole lot of western democracies postpandemic, longtime leaders tossed out over the price of eggs, the cost of living by a nationalist, anti-elitist, conservative populace. same story, different country. fair? >> from a distance this trend does include canada now, certainly the leader of the opposition party, the conservative leader fits into that arc of populist conservative leaders prizing across the developed world. i would also add to that that prime minister trudeau has been in power for nearly ten years.
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and that does seem to be the upper limit at which people start really desiring change on top of all the valid reasons you just listed. >> we just heard andrea mitchell talk about donald trump's jokes, canada becoming the 51st state, talk about the tariffs. what does this do to u.s.-canada relations going forward. trudeau is there for the short term. but short term. >> that's right. frankly, i don't think best dealing with president-elect trump is a matter of political colors, it's a matter of first of all chemistry, tactics, negotiating engagement. trudeau will hold down the fort the next few weeks. i'm doubtful that president trump when he takes office will continue to engage with someone who is a lame duck, will probably want to deal with somebody who will be in power.
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in the immediate start of the second trump presidency, that's probably not going to mean great things for canada. it's not a great time for the country to be in a protracted political turmoil, selecting a new liberal party leader and prime minister and then launching an election. but dealing with the u.s.-canada trade negotiation is a long game, too. there's a renegotiation on the question of the free trade agreement between the two countries and mexico to the south, clearly. the new prime minister will have their job cut out for them. >> playing the long game in a world of short-termism. i don't envy anyone having to do that. thanks for joining us. when we return, you must stay up for this. someone shared the story with me on twitter. nhl's newest member on the ice debuts with a one-of-a-kind
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